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8/19/2026

Hillel versus Yeshu (Jesus): Talmud Bavli, Shabbat 31a — They Are Not Comparable

BS"D


I get sent a lot of confident nonsense. Most of it isn't worth the column space. Occasionally, though, someone sends me a claim stated with such certainty, repeated so uncritically by people who really ought to know better, that it's worth doing the one thing nobody in the room seems to have bothered with: checking it against the primary evidence.

Here's the claim, currently doing the rounds in a corner of "Historical Jesus" scholarship. Rabbinic tradition, so the argument goes, retrospectively constructed the figure of Hillel the Elder over the better part of two centuries. Neusner said as much. Schiffman confirmed it. The Mishnah wasn't redacted until the second century CE. Therefore Hillel is exactly as historically uncertain as Jesus, and any Jewish critic who dismisses Jesus as a late theological construction is, in effect, undermining his own foundations. The critique cancels itself out. Tidy.

It's a well-constructed claim, and I want to be fair to it before I take it apart, because that's the only honest way to do this. It has named authorities. It has a defensible premise. It has a clean syllogistic shape. The trouble is that when you actually run the argument through to its conclusion — properly, not selectively — it does not rescue Jesus's position. It destroys it, more thoroughly than any external critic could have managed. Nobody making this argument seems to have done the arithmetic. So let's do it.

The parallel text doesn't survive a grammar check

The specific move here is to place Matthew 7:12 — "whatever you wish that people would do to you, do so to them; this is the Torah and the Prophets" — next to Hillel's answer to the prospective convert in Talmud Bavli, Shabbat 31a:

"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow — that is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and learn."

At the level of a Wikipedia summary, this looks like the same idea in two dialects. It isn't. Read the grammar and the parallel collapses in one sentence.

Hillel's formulation is negative: do not do. That places it inside the halakhic category of enforceable prohibition — the same logical family as every other "you shall not" in the legal system. Prohibitions are verifiable. A court can determine whether one was violated. Jesus's formulation is positive: do to them. No object, no criterion of fulfilment, no authority structure to adjudicate it. One is a legal instrument. The other is a motivational aphorism. Anyone treating these as equivalent teachings hasn't read past the English gloss.

That's not pedantry. That's the whole case, and it falls apart before you even get to the historical argument.

The primary source nobody citing this parallel has apparently read

Here's the bit that should have stopped this comparison before it was ever published, and which — tellingly — never gets cited by the people making it: Talmud Bavli, Avodah Zarah 16b–17a.

Rabbi Eliezer ben Hyrcanus, the most prominent tanna of the first century and direct disciple of Rabban Yochanan ben Zakkai, is arrested on suspicion of heresy. He explains why to Rabbi Akiva:

"Akiva, you have reminded me. Once I was walking in the upper market of Sepphoris... and the matter pleased me, and on account of this I was seized for heresy, and I transgressed what is written in the Torah: 'Keep your way far from her' — this is heresy."

The teaching that pleased him came via Ya'akov of Kfar Sekhanya, explicitly named across the sources as a disciple of Jesus.

I want you to sit with what actually happens in that text, because it's the opposite of what the "parallel teachings" crowd needs it to say. The single most eminent legal authority of his generation has one moment of intellectual approval — not conversion, not doctrinal agreement, the equivalent of "fair point" — toward a teaching linked to Jesus. And his own account of it is a confession of transgression. Not "I recognised a fellow scholar." I transgressed. I was seized for heresy. Rashi glosses the approval as fleeting; Rabbeinu Chananel is blunter still — he liked it, he enjoyed it, and for that he was arrested. Not one classical commentator reads this as endorsement. It's a cautionary tale about how easily even the greatest scholar can be pulled toward heresy by a single appealing line, told by the man it happened to.

That is the actual data point connecting the rabbinic tradition to Jesus's teaching. It is not the data point the "parallel wisdom traditions" argument was built on.

The invented category

This is where I start to lose patience, because what follows isn't a matter of interpretation — it's a term that simply doesn't exist being presented as though it does. The phrase is chakham nokhri, "wise gentile," and it gets deployed constantly in this literature as though it's an established rabbinic category for how the sages regarded Jesus.

Go and check. It isn't in Rashi. It isn't in Tosafot. It isn't in Rabbeinu Chananel. It isn't in the Meiri. It isn't in Maimonides. The term used consistently, across every source, is min — heretic — or talmid Yeshu — disciple of Jesus. The Jerusalem Talmud, the earliest source available, is blunter still, describing a follower offering to heal "in the name of Yeshu ben Pandera." And the legal framework attached to that vocabulary, in Tosefta Chullin 2:6, is unambiguous:

"The ritual slaughter of the heretic is as idolatry; their bread is the bread of idolaters; their wine is libation wine; their produce is untithed; their books are books of sorcery; and their children are mamzerim."

There is no "respected alternative sage" clause in that text. There never was. Manufacturing one and inserting it into the discourse isn't a nuanced reading — it's the scholarly equivalent of quoting a market-research statistic that was never actually collected. It sounds authoritative right up until someone checks the source, at which point the entire argument built on top of it collapses with it.

Back to the original comparison — properly this time

When Hillel tells the convert "go and learn," he isn't ending the conversation. He's opening it. The compressed principle is an entry point into an entire legal system — every subsequent generation of halakhic literature is, in a real sense, the answer to "go and learn." That's not decoration. That's the substance of the discipline.

Jesus's formula in Matthew 7:12 does the opposite with near-identical syntax: "this is the Torah and the Prophets." Full stop. Not an invitation into the commentary — a claim that the commentary is unnecessary. Proverbs 26:8 has a phrase for exactly this move: "like binding a stone in a sling, so is giving honour to a fool." A tool taken out of the system that gives it a function isn't efficient. It's just broken, dressed up as insight.

The argument, applied honestly, destroys the case it was built to defend

Now the historicity claim itself — the one this entire exercise was supposed to be about.

Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai aren't preserved as biography. They're preserved as case law: named positions, documented disputes, and — this is the part the "equally constructed" argument conveniently skips — documented losses. The record shows when Beit Hillel's own side lost an argument. No tradition fabricating its own authority retrospectively bothers to preserve its own defeats. That's not a minor methodological footnote; it's the single strongest evidentiary marker historians use to distinguish an honest legal record from a hagiography, and the rabbinic sources pass that test in a way the biblicist's own comparison doesn't.

The Gospels don't do this. Jesus loses no argument in their pages. He concedes no defeat. There's no internal contradiction attributed to him that his own tradition preserved unresolved. A record that never shows its central figure losing isn't history — it's the exact hagiographical failure mode being alleged, misdirected at the wrong text.

Run the "everything is a late construction" standard consistently and the asymmetry gets worse, not better. There is no document contemporary with Jesus's life. No tribunal recorded his rulings. No institution traces his decisions across verifiable generations of transmission. There are four anonymous accounts written decades after the events, disagreeing with each other on checkable details, with authorship the specialists cited in the original argument can't themselves establish. Hillel, by contrast, sits inside a legal tradition that spent two thousand years arguing with its own opposition in public and keeping the transcript — right down to the principle, preserved in Eruvin 13b, that both sides of an unresolved dispute count as "the words of the living God." That's what an honest chain of transmission looks like. The comparison was supposed to level the field. It didn't. It just showed which side has the paper trail.

The verdict

Maimonides, writing in Hilchot Melachim 11:4, doesn't call Jesus a sage, a prophet, or anything resembling a wise gentile. He uses one word: mikhshol — stumbling block. The Talmud, in Sanhedrin 43a, is more technical still: mesit, the specific legal category for an inciter to idolatry, about whom the law explicitly forbids pleading merit or showing pity.

Not chakham. Not chakham nokhri. Mesit.

Shem Tov ibn Shaprut asked the obvious follow-up question six centuries ago and nobody in this literature has ever actually answered it: if every one of Jesus's teachings already exists in the Prophets, in David, in Solomon, in the Sages, what does he actually add? The honest answer is that he adds the cancellation of the system — not the principle of loving one's neighbour, which Leviticus got to first, but the claim that the principle alone, unsupported by the structure that gives it content, is sufficient.

Rabbi Eliezer knew the difference between admiring a line and endorsing a system. That's precisely why the word he chose, describing his own single moment of approval, wasn't praise.

It was a confession.

So — for anyone still citing Shabbat 31a as proof that Jesus and Hillel were teaching the same thing: check your source before you publish the next version of this argument. It doesn't say what you need it to say.

1/29/2017

¿Se puede ingresar a una Iglesia en Shabat? ¿es valida la conversión de Ivanka Trump?

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Fuente: Times Of Israel.
"Neither Mr. Kushner nor Ms. (Ivanka) Trump represent themselves as role models or spokesmen for Orthodox Judaism,” 
("Ni el Sr. Kushner ni la Sra. (Ivanka) Trump se representan a sí mismos como modelos o portavoces del judaísmo ortodoxo.")
-Rabbi Ozer Glickman, a Rosh Yeshiva, or dean, at the rabbinical school at New York's Yeshiva University.


Jared Kushner, e Ivanka Trump el día 21 de enero de 2017, en la noche de tal día celebraron la inauguración presidencial, asistiendo a las reuniones en la noche del viernes que representa un obstáculo para su observancia judía ortodoxa del Shabat.

Trump, hija mayor del presidente Trump, y el Sr. Kushner consiguieron un permiso especial para romper con las estrictas leyes religiosas que les impiden hacer uso de dispositivos de tecnología o mecanizadas, tales como automóviles, durante el Shabat, que comienza el viernes por la noche. Por otra parte, el hermano de Jared Kushner, el Sr. Josh Kushner asistió a la marcha anti-Trump en Shabat con las feministas radicales. ¿Realmente la familia Kushner son tan ortodoxos como alardean ser? 

Una amistad de la Comunidad Judía de Washington que fue informada sobre el asunto, pero no está autorizado a hablar públicamente sobre ello, dijo que el viernes por la noche se les dio una exención en virtud del principio de la ley judía de pikuaj nefesh, lo que sugiere la preservación de la seguridad de una persona específica por encima de cualquier consideración religiosa. En el caso del Sr. y la Sra Kushner Trump, habrían tenido que mejor haber optado por ser acompañados por escoltas de seguridad una vez fuera cuando ya había comenzado el shabat



Ivanka Trump, quien presuntamente se convirtió al judaísmo, dijo en la revista Vogue en una entrevista que ella y su marido que eran "bastante observadores" ya que mantenían aspectos como lo kosher y el Shabat, tal como ella declaró:
“Yeah, we observe the Sabbath,” says Ivanka, sipping her lychee martini. “From Friday to Saturday we don't do anything but hang out with one another. We don't make phone calls.”("Sí, se observa el Shabat", dice Ivanka, sorbiendo su martini de lichi. "De viernes a sábado no hacemos otra cosa que pasar el uno con el otro. Nosotros no hacemos llamadas telefónicas ".)
Incluso, el 13 de julio de 2015, la Morah Lori Palatnik, quien es es la Directora Ejecutiva de "The Jewish Women’s Renaissance Project" presume que la hija de Donald Trump es "shomer shabat":



Según la Morah Palatnik, Ivanka Trump escribe mucho sobre shabat  y la tradición judía, y que ella le enseñara a sus hijos y nietos a ser "shomer shabat". Hasta aquí, la explicación bonita de la Morah Palatnik es únicamente eso. 

Posteriormente el día 13 de julio de 2016, el medio de comunicación Times of Israel, informó que el Rabanut HaRashit LeIsrael (el Supremo Rabinato de Israel) rechazó la conversión de Ivanka Trump, ya que las credenciales del Rabino Haskel Lookstein son invalidas. Sin embargo, a principios de diciembre, pocas semanas después de la victoria electoral de Trump, el Jefe de la Comunidad Ashkenazi de Israel, Rabino David Lau dijo que reconoce las conversiones realizadas por Lookstein. Activistas israelíes dicen que el cambio de política súbita parece ser un intento de congraciarse con el nuevo presidente de Estados Unidos. El marido de Ivanka Trump se ha nombrado a un alto asesor de Trump y se espera que se centren en los esfuerzos de paz entre israelíes y palestinos.

Por último, el Rabino Moshe Feinstein establece el matrimonio de una mujer gentil con un judío no observante, es equivalente a una declaración abierta que no va a observar los preceptos. Esto es así, debido a que es muy poco probable que el miembro gentilicio de tal unión, no estén comprometidos con el judaísmo. A diferencia de negaciones mentales o tácitas, explica Rav Feinstein, la declaración abierta de haber hecho Jilul HaShem  o Jilul Shabat invalidan las conversiones. Cuando estos casos se presentan ante un tribunal rabínico, sus miembros de hecho se convierten en testigos de una declaración de aceptación de que no es sincero. Por lo tanto, ya no es una falta de sinceridad tácita, sino más bien es una obviedad. Como tal, se les prohíbe sancionar la conversión. Independientemente de lo que este tribunal puede declarar judía a Ivanka, la conversión no es válida y la persona no se considera un miembro de la nación judía. En Igerot Moshe, cartas de Moshe (Yoreh De'ah, no. 157), escribe que:
"De acuerdo con la Ley, lo cierto es que aquel que convierte por el bien del matrimonio, no tiene la intención de guardar los mandamientos, y es no prosélito en absoluto "
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                           El Shabat en la Catedral.
Presuntamente los Kushner-Trump son muy ortodoxos, casi al nivel de ser dos futuros "jabadskers" haciendo Jilul Shabat (profanación del Shabat) en la National Cathedral de Washington. ¿Acaso fue para hacer pikuaj nefesh? ¿por qué iban cargando objetos dentro de la mearah shel avodah zarah (Catedral) en pleno día de Shabat haciendo jilul shabat

Profanaron Shabat para hacer avodah zarah en una Catedral recitando el rezo del Pater Noster y rezándole a Yesh"u ¿qué clase de ortodoxos son Ivanka y Jared Kushner que prefieren ir hacer avodah zarah (idolatría) a una catedral que guardar shabat en un Kinis (sinagoga)?

Ivanka y Jared Kushner seguramente han de saber lo que dice el RaMBa"M (Maimómides) en en el comentario (פרושו של רמב"ם) a la Mishnah Avoda Zará 1.3:

ודע שזו האומה הנוצרית הטוענים טענת המשיח לכל שינויי [על כל] כיתותיהם כולם עובדי עבודה זרה. ועידיהן כולן אסורים, ונוהגין עימהן בכל [דיני] התורה כדרך שנוהגין עם עובדי עבודה זרה. ויום ראשון הוא מכלל עידיהן של גויים [אלה]. ולפיכך אסור להתעסק עם מאמיני המשיח ביום ראשון כלל בשום דבר מן הדברים, אלא נוהגין עימהם ביום ראשון כדרך שנוהגין עם עובדי עבודה זרה ביום עידם.

“Sabe pues que esta nación cristiana, que predica una reivindicación mesiánica en TODAS SUS VARIAS SECTAS, todos ellos son idólatras. Todas sus varias festividades también están prohibidas para nosotros. Y todas las restricciones de la Torá respecto a los idólatras les aplican a ellos...”

El RaMBa”M en Ya"d Jazakah, en Hiljot Avodah Zarah (Idolatría) 9:4 en donde se lee: הנוצרים - עובדי עבודה זרה הן (los cristianos: son obdei avodah zarah; idolatras) son considerados idolatras bajo la ley judía, es decir, para él el cristianismo no es una creencia judaicamente aceptable, incluso para los no judíos.

Por otra parte el RaMBa"M, en Ya"d Jazakah (Mishneh Torah), en Hiljot Yesode HaTorah, 5:2 se lee:

בַּמֶּה דְּבָרִים אֲמוּרִים בִּשְׁאָר מִצְוֹת חוּץ מֵעֲבוֹדַת כּוֹכָבִים וְגִלּוּי עֲרָיוֹת וּשְׁפִיכַת דָּמִים. אֲבָל שָׁלֹשׁ עֲבֵרוֹת אֵלּוּ אִם יֹאמַר לוֹ עֲבֹר עַל אַחַת מֵהֶן אוֹ תֵּהָרֵג. יֵהָרֵג וְאַל יַעֲבֹר. בַּמֶּה דְּבָרִים אֲמוּרִים בִּזְמַן שֶׁהָעוֹבֵד כּוֹכָבִים מִתְכַּוֵּן לַהֲנָאַת עַצְמוֹ. כְּגוֹן שֶׁאֲנָסוֹ לִבְנוֹת לוֹ בֵּיתוֹ בְּשַׁבָּת אוֹ לְבַשֵּׁל לוֹ תַּבְשִׁילוֹ. אוֹ אָנַס אִשָּׁה לְבָעֳלָהּ וְכַיּוֹצֵא בָּזֶה. אֲבָל אִם נִתְכַּוֵּן לְהַעֲבִירוֹ עַל הַמִּצְוֹת בִּלְבַד. אִם הָיָה בֵּינוֹ לְבֵין עַצְמוֹ וְאֵין שָׁם עֲשָׂרָה מִיִּשְׂרָאֵל יַעֲבֹר וְאַל יֵהָרֵג. וְאִם אֲנָסוֹ לְהַעֲבִירוֹ בַּעֲשָׂרָה מִיִּשְׂרָאֵל יֵהָרֵג וְאַל יַעֲבֹר. וַאֲפִלּוּ לֹא נִתְכַּוֵּן לְהַעֲבִירוֹ אֶלָּא עַל מִצְוָה מִשְּׁאָר מִצְוֹת בִּלְבַד:
"Esto se aplica a todos los preceptos (transgredir para vivir), EXCEPTO a los referentes a la idolatría, la conducta sexual ilícita y el derramamiento de sangre; pero si a un judío se le dice, aludiendo a alguna de estas tres transgresiones: Trangrédela o serás muerto, debe dejarse matar y NO transgredirla."

Pareciera que a Ivanka (Trump) y Jared Kushner se les olvido esta sección de la halajah (ley judía) y prefirieron transgredir.